Angela Mascuilli -initial transcript

Thu, 2/10 12:26PM • 44:10

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

travel, people, clients, work, disney, travel agent, cruise, vacation, experience, legal, plan, trip, instagram, pandemic, job, hotels, book, thought, planning, travel agency

SPEAKERS

Jamie Stephens, Angela Mascuilli

Jamie Stephens  00:00

Angela, thank you for being on the show today. Do you want to go ahead and introduce yourself and let people know a little bit about who you are?

Angela Mascuilli  00:10

Yeah, my name is Angela. Mascuilli, and I am a travel agency owner. And I guess you could say, I’m a recovering legal professionals, um, had a long career. And I made some career shifts and mindset shifts along the way on my journey, and I'm a former military spouse. So that has really impacted my journey. And I have a wife and a mom to two beautiful, talented girls who are in a professional ballet program, which takes up a lot of my time.

Jamie Stephens  00:50

Yeah, I bet. Well, let's, let's get into that a little bit. Um, so recovering legal professional. Tell me a little bit about what you did and kind of the environment because now like myself, you're doing something totally different. So I kind of want to hear like how that started.

01:09

Totally different. Yeah. So I graduated undergrad with a degree in political science. And usually, I had, I had gotten some work in politics. I've worked on Capitol Hill in college, and worked in the Senate, you've done some interesting things and some campaigns. And I thought that law school was like a natural progression from that. And so it was suggested to me, why don't you take a paralegal job at a corporate law firm in Chicago and see how you like it, and in whether you want to go to law school. And I quickly kind of fell in love with the profession in doing all the research and writing and kind of the behind the scenes work. And then I worked for a few corporate law firms, some international law firms that had a lot of structure and a lot of hierarchy, and a lot of a lot of processes and that kind of thing. And then I met my husband who was in the Air Force. And when we got married, I found myself living various places across the country and experiencing different law firm environments and legal environments. And I actually taught some legal research or legal students at one point, and then I went on to get my master's degree in, in Legal Studies from George Washington University. So I really, I was in the corporate legal environment, line and sinker and thought that that was my life and my career project, Shin for the rest of, you know, I never really thought about doing anything else, quite honestly. And I kept doing all of these things to kind of feel like like getting multiple certifications and teaching and getting my master's degree from a very reputable University. I really found myself trying to kind of please the people that I work for as like a like, Oh, really respect me now I'll Oh, really start to give me more opportunities. And, and I was really waiting for permission and opportunity from people that I worked for, or jobs that I applied, or that was my idea of success, and the system of validation that I kind of prescribed to for a long time. And then I finally realized that I didn't need to wait for opportunity from somebody else to wait for permission. Isn't that like, we do a job that was fun. And I was my own boss, and I didn't need to wait for somebody else to tell me what to do or validate what I was doing. But I still go on that journey myself. Yeah. Right, the lightbulb went off and it went off in a big way. And I'm like, what have I been doing? Why am I waiting for other people to give me some sense of self worth? And opportunity and validation when I had all of those things within myself and

Jamie Stephens  04:37

yeah, no, that's so how did you how did you get? Okay, so that's like a big step between realizing that you have all of those things and then knowing that you can step out and claim that for yourself, like kind of what happened and but by the time you realize that and you're like, Okay, I'm done too, like I'm I'm starting my instagram or I'm opening my business or like, like, whatever that first step was, what can you talk about kind of that in between?

05:07

Right? I think it really actually kind of started when, as a military spouse and I had to move around. military spouses have a higher unemployment rate than the regular population, just because especially having to move around, it's difficult to find new opportunities. And I really was a military spouse when I'm working virtually prior to COVID was not as accepted, especially in the legal industry. And it's still something that is not highly respected sometimes or even accepted. So I had to consistently every few years when we moved, look for new opportunities, and sometimes those opportunities would come my way. And sometimes I would get bored shutting my face. So one lightbulb moment was when my husband retired, and we moved to the Orlando area. I applied to work for a large corporate company that I really admired and love and considered my dream job. And I was a finalist for months. Um, and I wasn't ultimately selected for the job that I wanted. And they said, Well, why don't you stand by for a few months, there's another job that's going to be coming that we might want you for? Well, I had been in the interview process for months. They I had, I had to constantly beat down their door to get a response to the numerous interviews that I had gotten, um, and then ultimately, I didn't get the result that I thought should have been the outcome of not only my years of experience, but what I could offer the company.

Jamie Stephens  06:56

Yeah. And they're like, here, do you want to work for these peanuts?

07:00

Right? There wasn't a lot of loyalty to me, or a recognition of the special things that I could bring to the company. And maybe I wasn't the best person at conveying that. I don't know. But for whatever reason, I was really getting tired of waiting for somebody else. Give me an opportunity. Oh, waiting for me for them to say, Okay, now you can show us the special things that you can do. I felt like, I was really getting impatient. I'm like, why? What? This seems silly.

Jamie Stephens  07:39

Yeah, you're like, I know that I have so much to offer. And I know that I can help. And it's just not always validated in the way that we expect, want or need. All of those things to where it's just like, Oh, What a letdown.

07:56

Right, exactly. And it's like, and I don't know, I don't know if you can relate to this. But I definitely my entire life, kind of had a tapping of calling to do more. I knew I had so much to offer. And to me, I think I knew I had a lot to offer. But I had kind of created this idea of success as working for a large corporate company, that I could continue to help so

Jamie Stephens  08:30

yeah. So how did you transition into travel? Like, was that just something that you were personally interested in? or big? Well, I guess because you're traveling all over military spouse to it's got a built in advantage there and having all of that right.

08:50

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it happened in a few ways. It um, one I really loved it. Because I had no choice within the military lifestyle. It wasn't like, oh, maybe we'll go to California. It's like, No, you're moving to California. And you're gonna be there for a couple years. And you You better like it. Yeah. And then actually, I found a lot of friends would call me up and be like, Hey, how do I do this? Or where should I go? And what should I do? And I had another friend who actually worked in the travel industry and was like, girl, you need to have your own business doing this. To me, I was like, what, um, and I even actually still was very stubborn about going on my own. And, and I thought, oh, okay, well, I'll go to this other company and she's like, do not do that within your own business. Okay. So, you know, it's kind of crazy, but during the pandemic, I had already been kind of thinking about it. Because I had so many friends who are I'm here to ask my opinion in one of my help. And I'm like, Well, you know, why not? Go ahead and legitimately open a business and earn income on? You know, my expertise?

Jamie Stephens  10:14

Yeah. I love it. So I was looking at your Instagram, and I saw a lot of Disney. Is that like you're? Well, I mean, being in Orlando that makes a lot of sense. Is that like your primary focus is that Orlando crowd the the comms there, and kind of all that that entails?

10:32

Yes. And actually, I have been in the process of trying to figure out how to branch from that, because I definitely I book, lots of different vacation destinations globally, not just Disney. So I really need to do a better job. conveying that it's just I'm a Disney nerd. I love Disney. I love just having fun with my family. And we're in New passholders at Disney and we're there like every week so I could see the the Magic Kingdom fireworks from my front porch every night.

Jamie Stephens  11:13

So fun. I I have been to Disney one time, and it was so hot. It was just like, but we did, we stayed until the fireworks and all of that. But it was I mean, it was a day I can I can understand how there would be a lot a lot a lot of planning involved for anybody that is really wanting to get the full experience because we I mean, we were total newbies, and we were just like probably one at the wrong time of the year. I mean, like and it's hard to because our kids are from like, at the time, I think it was like four to 15. So those are some of the challenges. So what is the, like, best vacation like you've ever, like booked as far as like, where you got to bring in all of your expertise and make it something just really wow special for somebody,

12:09

I you know, I kind of I've looked at every vacation that I plan that way, because I just bring this special, one of the things that I've realized that I give to people is kind of this simple sense of home and reassurance and confidence that, okay, this is what I want to do. And this is how it's gonna go and, and it's gonna be good. And if not, I have Angela who's and it got my back if anything goes awry. Um, but I just really and I've worked on a few vacations lately, where it's been their first family family vacation either since COVID, or their first family vacation in a long time. So those I just feel like this incredible sense of satisfactions. And I could help put a family at ease and help them maximize their time and elevate their experience, had they not had an expert, kind of helping guide them along the way.

Jamie Stephens  13:14

So tell me about some of like, the things that you do for your clients that I mean, like I've never booked through, like a travel agency. So I don't know, I guess, tell me what makes it special. Like why would somebody do that versus doing it themselves. And I mean this in like the most respectful way.

13:35

It's, that's another thing that I actually need to do a better job at is helping people understand that travel planners are not something that your grandma use, travel planners are actually more important than ever, because we have less time than ever. Vacation time is more precious in America, we don't we tend to not take all of our vacation time. It's so crazy. So I hold people accountable, like I help you book something, and then you're probably going to keep it, you're probably going to take that trip because you've had somebody help you and help you make feel comfortable and reassured and you've got it planned and it's done and it's taken care of. But um, I think one of the things too, that I do for clients is I'm an advocate and a lot of travel planners are finding that there's this resurgence in our popularity, because folks prior to COVID would plan a trip on Expedia, or through Costco or some of the big wholesalers. And when it came time to make a phone call to reschedule a trip. There was nobody answered the phone. There was no personal service. So one of the huge things that I offer is that personal service. And one of the things another thing people don't see is travel agents have special relationships with vendors, word travels, buyers like Disney universal, I spend every week, an hour phone call with Disney on all of their updates every week, from a half hour to an hour on all of the updates. That's crazy. Like, most people don't realize all of the new features and advantages that are out there for them to take advantage of to make their trip better. But that I look at that as my job. So I want to make sure that my clients have the best trip. So in addition to having those connections, we also as travel planners don't use the same resources as the general public. I don't go on Expedia and book a trip for a client. We have special portals where we look for rates, we look for package deals, we look for added amenities that that travel suppliers get together with various consortiums that sell travel to add, okay, your point here, and I'll add a $50 resort credit per day or back breakfast or you know, a lots of different amenities or a free excursion. So in addition to the personal service, the the connection with the travel suppliers, sometimes we can get added amenities for clients, where advocate, if something goes wrong, we're there to talk to the travel supplier. And I also schedule cancellation times like you need to cancel, you should do it by this time. So you get most of your deposit back or all of your deposit back. Or if you want to reschedule here, here's what you need to read. And keep in mind. So I do that for my clients as well. And a lot of people don't even know that you can buy insurance policies, even with COVID clauses to help reassure you, you're going to pay 1000s of dollars on a vacation, you want to try and have the most flexibility and get the most bang in case something happens if somebody gets sick. Or who knows, we all are more familiar with anything can happen, right? Since COVID, we're all like, Okay, you need to plan for the unexpected. But another thing that I do for my clients that they really love, is I'm able to put all of their plans in an app. So they're not looking through 10 emails for flight information for reservations for their room for their car rental, they're not looking for that in 10 different places. I put it in one app, where it has what hotel, you're going to be in how you're going to get there, whatever your confirmation numbers are. And then they also have a chat feature in that app that I add all together.

Jamie Stephens  18:35

Nice. Yeah. So is that something that were? Yeah, tell me about that. So like, how does you working as an individual, like, how do you get all of that technology? Like, do you have partners that you work with that have these portals that have the apps that have and so then you're Yeah, selling those services? Is that how basically you get paid?

19:00

Ish? So So yeah, um,

Jamie Stephens  19:04

if we can talk about that.

19:06

No, it's it's really interesting. I had to learn about it. So I have what's called a travel agency Coates, who belongs to a travel Consortium, which is travel leaders, and there are a few hours travel consortiums and in the world, and travel leaders is a really large one. Um, so I I belong to a travel post, who already has a relationship with travel leaders has all of these different relationships with hotels across the world airlines, various portals that package travel deals and all those types of things. So then, you know, any travel that I book how travel agents get paid, they get paid in two ways. If a client has a particularly complicated, large group, I will charge a planning fee. That goes directly to me. But I also receive a commission from various travel suppliers. And those rates are all different. It's not huge commission. But travel agents, because of the complicated nature of travel today. They're moving away from the commission only business model, because you're not just planning somebody's trip in that it is much more complex. Yeah, days from if you're gonna go to Mexico and go to an all inclusive resort, you know, you're gonna have to get tested before you come back to the United States. And what if that test comes back positive, and your plane's gonna follow you? And ask, What's my insurance confirmation? Or oh, I'm sorry, you didn't get insurance out of that. So there's all of that. It's way more complicated than it used to be? Yeah. Awesome. Did he answer your question? I

Jamie Stephens  21:21

hope? Yeah, no, no, no, no, yeah. Cuz I was just trying to figure out like, I like to know, I'm just kind of nosy, geeky in that way. It's like, how are all these people different people making money?

21:37

It's like, we're right. Yeah.

Jamie Stephens  21:39

Yeah. Like from going from legal to travel. I mean, obviously, that sounds like, you know, there's a lot of complexities within that world. And you said that you made the transition during COVID, which seems like a particular interesting time to to make that decision to go into travel when nobody's traveling. But I mean, I guess it's a, it's a very good time to learn, and to just kind of soak it all up and really different, like, figure out how you're going to differentiate yourself, like, post pandemic, which we're not in. But you know, like, okay, let's, let's just realize that because we keep saying post pandemic, but it's like, we're still in it. Yeah, so what was that? Like? How did you start to learn about all of that stuff? Did you just start Googling you were interested in travel? Or like, how, or did you know somebody?

22:38

Yeah. Um, so I just started doing part of my legal experience is research, constant research. And one of the things that really assists me well, in the travel industry is my ability to research. That's something that I do often. So I started researching, okay, if I did this on my own, how would I do it? So I did that. And I joined a travel agency host. And they provide lots of education. And then you have to do a lot of education on your own, like the app that I use to put client quotes and excetera Verizon, in the invoicing app that I use, I send an invoice to clients that they put in their own credit card information, their address, information, all that stuff. That is completely separate of anything, I do that on my own, I pay for that service on my own, and then provides my clients. So during that time, I was just soaking up all the information and learning how do I put a website together? And how do I, you know, market my company, which, you know, all of these things are constantly evolving? Yeah. You know, you're always trying to perfect it. And do better. But, yeah, so I started Googling how I would do it. And I learned I took courses I took I watched YouTube videos, I yeah, I just soaked in all of the knowledge. And it really positioned me well, because it takes you some time to feel confident and like, Okay, this is actually how I help people, you have to begin to actually provide the service to really beyond friends and family to really truly get a sense of how much you help people.

Jamie Stephens  24:43

Yeah, that's interesting. So how are you at a place now where you've been able to replace your income paralegal.

24:54

I'm still getting there. And I think I have to interview Due to perfect marketing and make sure that I do things consistently, I also really want to help educate people on the importance of a travel agent, whether they use me or not, because I still go to, you know, the Disney parks on my own not working and overhear conversations and I'm like, Yeah, you're gonna help them. You're like,

Jamie Stephens  25:29

I knew that. Check out my Instagram.

25:34

So yeah, just finding that, but I think one of the things that I'm going to start doing is just doing like, a weekly or monthly travel planning, Zoom call, or, or on Instagram, people can join or whatever, in some way, because I want people to understand that I'm not like a car salesman, I'm not somebody who I have no interest in just you adding on a bunch of things on your trip that you're not gonna like, or you're not gonna want because then you're never going to want to book with me, again, you're not going to, you know, you're not going to give me a good review. So I think that there's this huge trust element in booking someone's travel, it's, it's a very personal experience. So I think people just go, I can do it. Yeah, you can. But that doesn't always mean that you should, or you might

Jamie Stephens  26:36

value, you can do a lot of

26:40

a lot of things on your own. But just because you can doesn't mean you should. And then yeah, like I said, the pandemic really taught us all we should have learned on some level to expect the unexpected. And I think using your travel agent, that you can act with and that you trust can help you give, help give you another level of assurance that you're doing things the right way. And if something should go wrong, you have an advocate on your side, because one of the things that people don't understand, too, is that travel agents have a fiduciary duty using a legal term to their clients, and that I have to keep their best interests at heart with planning, anything that I do. So that's something that I take seriously, especially with my legal background, that I understand.

Jamie Stephens  27:40

So how much information to people like have to I'm like, totally, like speaking personally now. Like, it'd be good questions. Like, what, like, how much do people need to know beforehand? Like if I were to say, well, I want to go to Europe, and maybe I want to go to Greece, and maybe I want to go to Spain? And maybe I want to hit France somewhere in there. And I want to be by the ocean. And I want to do XYZ? Like is that enough? Like to get you going? Or like how, how much do people have to come with?

28:19

And see, and this is where my consultative services come in, because I can help clients think about things that they would not have thought about. Yeah. And then I do what's called qualify a client, I begin asking clients a series of questions that will help me identify the level of experience the level of luxury or simplicity that they like and accommodation. What type of restaurants that they like, what type of what is it that you really, what's the experience you really want to? Because ultimately, I want to get to that point, or help clients think about that, because I'm not an order taker. Yeah, um, I want to curate the best experience for you not for me. I can't, you know, because I would like something completely different. And you may absolutely hate that. I don't want that to happen. So as a travel agent, you have to be a very good listener. And I did a lot of client building and Client Servicing the legal industry. So that something I really enjoyed is helping clients through very difficult times. If they were in litigation, I was there to help them, you know, not feel so nervous and ease their anxieties and I do this same with travel But it's okay. It's really great if you have some of those basics. Like, not only where do you want to go, but who are you going to take with you? And what do they like? Let's think about that too. Because, you know, especially if you're a parent taking little ones, if you don't consider what they like, you're probably gonna have a miserable experience.

Jamie Stephens  30:28

Right? The kids aren't

30:29

happy. Nobody's happy?

Jamie Stephens  30:31

Yes, I've been there done that. Yeah, right.

30:36

You too, even though I'm a travel agent, it still happens to me like, dang, I didn't think about this. But it helps to not only think about these currency to have, but you know, what is the season that you're traveling in? Are you okay, in Chicago with minus 10? degrees? Yeah. Are you gonna be okay with that? You know, so thinking about all those little things, and, you know, I can help somebody who wants thinks they want to go in the middle of summer to Disney. You know, if that's the only time you go, then let's strategize about how maybe you can plan your day. Let's get up early, take a break around noon, go to the pool, chill out, don't try to plan too much. And then go back to the parks around, you know, later in the afternoon. And then everybody's got food, what restaurants are going to make you happy, all that kind of stuff. So yeah, that's a great start point about where you want to go, when you want to go, who's going with you? But then I can ask some very pointed questions that start bringing out some of the the really important details to planning an even better vacation than maybe you would have planned on your own.

Jamie Stephens  32:09

Yeah, no, I like what you said about, you know, what is the experience that you're looking for? Because that's not something like that's it. It's not a place where I would start, you know what I mean, but I think that that is so important that, that that's really probably the place we should all start.

32:28

Right, exactly. And I mean, I'm, I've done this, I don't know how many times but if I, I've even missed that crucial step in my own travel. I'm like, Ah, yeah. I wanted to sit on the beach, but my kids wanted to go through. Who knows what. Yeah, you know, that happened to us over the summer, we rented a house. And I just wanted to sit on the beach. And I swear, I didn't make it to the but the last day.

Jamie Stephens  33:01

You're like, Oh, okay. Yeah. I think, um, well, it's always easier to travel when it's just my husband and I, versus having my kids. Yeah, but I would say one of the best ways that we travel is having a rough plan, like an idea of what we want to do, and then not exactly like, you know, it's like, it's okay, if we miss a thing here or there. But I will say the thing that the last trip we took, our planning was very, because it was like, Okay, I'll plan the, the stays the locations that Airbnb, hotels, whatever, and my husband plan the activities. Well, that was all good and fine, except we were, we didn't coordinate. Right? It's like one activity way over here. Then we're staying over here. And then we're staying over here, but our activities over here. So yeah, look, you know, some

33:59

things. I mean, I've even had clients that I it's just a husband and wife celebrating their anniversary. But you know, what I did is I went over to the hotel and I made sure I knew watching the fireworks was really important for them at Magic Kingdom at one of the hotels that was on their bucket list, but I made sure they had a bottle of champagne to enjoy during the fireworks was special desserts. And those are little things that landed on your home

Jamie Stephens  34:30

that you don't get. Yeah, that's that was one of my other questions. It's like, one day I'm going to have one of those trips where it's like you walk in and it's like all covered and roses and gray, you know, flowers and food and

34:45

yes like

Jamie Stephens  34:45

to walk into that experience. I think that would just be so special.

34:49

Yeah. And then to have somebody help you do that. And that's something that I tell clients and that we talk about in the travel industry is like you don't remember Remember how much you spend as much as you remember the experience with that? Yeah. So it's all about that experience, if you're going to spend 1000s of dollars taking the Amtrak trip cross country, and that you don't upgrade to the skylight seats on the rocky mountain air through the Canadian Rockies, I don't think that you may not have gotten the full experience.

Jamie Stephens  35:32

You may know. Right.

35:36

You know, I don't want you to go home and, and think I need to take that trip again. And I want to do this, this and this. Yeah. So I always tried to make little mentions like that, to clients to really help them have a sense of fulfillment and satisfaction in their very precious time with their families and their time off from work in their memories, I want to help make those some as possible.

Jamie Stephens  36:08

Oh, that's beautiful. It's nice to like, have somebody else worry about all that stuff for you. I mean, like when you realize all that goes into it and all that somebody else is worrying because sometimes we need a vacation from our vacation just because we've had to put so much into it. And that still may be the case, depending on what kind of vacation you

36:34

Yes, you do a Disney park visit and then take a cruise after. Or you can do a lot of people don't know about the Vero Beach Resort, which is super chill on the east coast of Florida. That's a Disney Resort still gives you that Disney experience that you can chill out after your Disney stay. You still get all of those Disney attention to detail and little things that you love as a Disney fan. But you get to chill out. Yeah.

Jamie Stephens  37:11

Well out of all of your travels, and everywhere that you've been both personally and professionally, whereas like your spot, like where is it that you recharge up?

37:22

I think for me going on a Disney cruise is what really gave me that lightbulb moment that I wanted to be a travel agent. It was I was I just had this sense, like everybody needs to experience. And even though I'm a Disney fan, I grew up from humble beginnings. I never in my life. Imagine would be on ship on a vacation or people for me and cut my child's food. I didn't have to do that. I mean, it was a level of luxury that I never even thought possible or even that I thought it deserved. Yeah, but going through that experience. I was it was a new level of vacationing, it was being cut off from the internet. It was having everything done for me. I didn't have to plan anything that I didn't want to plan. I planned picking up our bikes to bike around the island, and I planned picking up the racks. But that was all I planned on that trip. And it was amazing. That's my suit too. So for me, Disney cruises are definitely the way to or just cruises in general. I'm going to go on a Royal Caribbean cruise. I believe in April. For me personally, I know it's not everybody's a petite or a large section of the population has never even experienced it. It's only like 30% It's a very small percentage of people have actually experienced a cruise. And we were very nervous. The first time we went on a cruise it was like Are we gonna like this? Are we gonna eat it? But we fell in love with it. Yeah, for me, cruising is just a complete way to relax and disconnect, unwind and to be able to take on the rest of the world.

Jamie Stephens  39:40

So when you're on a cruise, I've never been on one my husband has but whenever you go, is it worth it to upgrade to like the top levels? Or is it because like in my mind, I'm like, I mean, who cares? It's just gonna be slipping in there but then it's like oh, it's like a closet or something.

39:59

Well I think that especially in the age of COVID, there is absolutely strategy on the rooms that you should select and not select. I don't know, I think going for like a suite with a dining room and that in a private extended balcony might be a different level of luxury than everybody might want. But I am personally not going on a cruise but I don't have my own veranda or my own outside space. Now, it is happen. God forbid if we have to stay in our room because of quarantine or something like that. I'm not going to be in a box.

Jamie Stephens  40:48

That made me just breathe heavy. Like

40:51

I'm like, I am having my own sliding door and my own access to like fresh air.

Jamie Stephens  40:58

Such. Yeah,

41:00

so yeah, I'm going on my first cruise since the pandemic. Yeah, in April. And then I have another one in May in Alaska. So

Jamie Stephens  41:09

Oh, have you ever done Alaska before?

41:12

I haven't. I'm so excited. And actually, we're supposed to go last year, but it got canceled. So.

Jamie Stephens  41:17

Gotcha. That's exciting. I wanted to check out that one. I don't know why. Well, my dad lives in Alaska, but it's just so beautiful up there. But the idea of being on a boat in the cold. I don't know how I feel about that. So

41:33

yeah. Yeah, it's definitely like, we're not gonna go to a private island and hang out on the beach. Right. And my understanding is people still get in the pool, even though it's Alaska in early June. It's not very burm. Yeah, what would be interesting, watch my Instagram, I will

Jamie Stephens  41:59

go ahead and tell people your Instagram so that they can follow along and get more information and reach out to you and all those things.

42:07

Definitely. So you can follow me on beautiful tomorrow travel on Instagram. And then you can follow me on beautiful tomorrow travel agents on my Facebook page. A travel Facebook group is in the works and will be coming up. You can follow me personally on Angela dot Michelle Li ma s CIULI on Instagram. And that's where things are coming to. I'll have a podcast launching in January aimed at helping specifically mom entrepreneurs really find the confidence and the right mindset that they need to feel like they can start their own business and how to manage the particular struggles of moms who are also in business, the CEO, their home and their family and also the CEO.

Jamie Stephens  43:14

And what's the name of that?

43:16

So that would be good enough mompreneur podcast, which is launching in January.

Jamie Stephens  43:23

Awesome. So it should be launched by the time this comes out. That'll be exciting. Oh, good. Okay, that's perfect. All right. Well, thank you so much, Angela, for sharing your time with me. Yes, it's been fun and I will Yeah, I will definitely keep you in mind as we start to travel some more because that's really exciting.

43:42

Awesome. We're definitely seeing an uptick in interest and people reaching out but you know, one of the things with the pandemic and the resurgence of people wanting to travel again, it's there's definitely limited space everybody wants to get back at once. planning, planning extensively and planning ahead are definitely must be