Aubrey Thorne Carey - Transcript

Aubrey Thorne Carey

Fri, 2/4 9:46AM • 50:59

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

astrology, people, symbols, find, piece, improv, understand, rule, energy, coaching, sky, life, reading, learn, relationship, mountain, natal chart, feel, capricorn, true

SPEAKERS

Jamie Stephens, Aubrey Thorne Carey

Jamie Stephens  00:00

Hi, hello,

Aubrey Thorne Carey  00:01

how are you?

Jamie Stephens  00:02

I'm good. How are you? Good. I am so sorry. I was late getting you that, obviously late. That calendar invite I was looking back and I was like, Oh crap. I never said that. But oh, no,

Aubrey Thorne Carey  00:15

no, it's okay. I'm sorry, I'm, I'm late to join this.

Jamie Stephens  00:18

Oh, no worries.

Aubrey Thorne Carey  00:20

Anyway, how are you?

Jamie Stephens  00:21

I'm good, I'm good. So I am very intrigued by all of your background and stuff. So I don't know, if you want to, like, obviously, we can edit out whatever. If you want to just kind of shut up for a minute first, or if you want to just get straight into it. We whatever feels comfortable for you

Aubrey Thorne Carey  00:43

know, whatever, whatever, whatever you want to do game for whatever.

Jamie Stephens  00:48

Sure. Well, if you just want to start out and just tell us where you're at kind of what you're doing now, and kind of how that journey has looked like over the last several years for you, of you as you go on into. So well at whatever angle you want to approach it from. Whatever makes most sense. I know, sometimes it correlates more in hindsight than it does,

Aubrey Thorne Carey  01:16

well dies. And so it's not that complicated. It's just has so many little pieces, but um, well I'm an I'm an astrologer, I do readings, and I'm also a coach, a transformative coach. And so I've combined a combined astrology in coaching, and work with people on a, you know, longer term basis to use the gifts of their natal chart and build a happier life of their wealth of their natal chart or birth chart. So that's, that's the, the piece of astrology that every Astrology Consultation focuses on, which is the, the moment of time when you were born. It's it's an energetic imprint, that you respond to kind of like a tuning fork, you know, like the, all the planets are in the sky when you're born and in a certain configuration, and they don't, it's a correlation, it's a representation of the energies that you resonate with. And so everything in the consultation is going towards discovering what those frequencies or energies are, and kind of putting some descriptive labels on it and talking about things deeply so that people can recognize these qualities in themselves, you know, recognize where where your energy is fed, what your identity tends to be wrapped up in, these are patterns, we all have patterns of thinking patterns of behavior tendencies to attract certain kinds of people into our life tendencies to automatically reject certain ideas or, like circumstances like 10 tendencies to invite certain experiences into our life, we all have different ways of learning different ways of approaching obstacles, or relationships or parents having parents or being parent, being parents, right, different ways of taking in information learning and organizing information or finding meaning different ways of relating to God and worshiping right, and finding that transcendent place where we're fed. So the needle churches, it's like this two hour fire hose of, alright, let's let's put, let's put, you know, let's put a magnifying glass on, on some of these patterns. And then I and then I am a coach. And most of the time I'm using astrology with that at different points in the coaching, but it's for, you know, I work with people to build a business or to make a relationship transition or to find some sort of equilibrium in their life between parenting and career or to try and just going through like to, I don't know, get to the next level of their career.

Jamie Stephens  04:18

And how long have you been? How long have you been doing this live with the astrology and the coaching together? Or did I miss did the dip one start before the other and

Aubrey Thorne Carey  04:30

then it started way before? Way before I've been as astrologer for I don't know, a decade maybe over a decade, maybe longer. It's kind of like thing. You forget how old you are. Yeah, about a decade I've been an astrologer before that I was an acupuncturist. So my trajectory sort of Lent. I had 10 to 12 years as an acupuncturist. I had a private practice and I also have some improv and sketch comedy background so about eight years of parallel kind of improv sketch comedy work with the with the comedy troupe in Los Angeles called the Groundlings. That's fun. That was really fun, really fun. And it was, it was an incredible listening training. You know, that's the thread that really tied it together. It's being comforted taught me to be comfortable, more comfortable in the unknown. Yeah, in cancer circumstances, right. It's

Jamie Stephens  05:31

like off the cuff and

Aubrey Thorne Carey  05:33

just, yeah, yeah, just following an impulse or an instinct, or in but really listening, listening to who you're playing with right now. So just doing that, and acupuncture, and then I also sort of, like, went off into design a bit with interior design, and even had like, a custom clothing business for a moment or I did men's shirts and playing women's shirts. Um,

Jamie Stephens  05:59

so it sounds like you've always been a creator of sorts. I mean, where it's,

Aubrey Thorne Carey  06:05

yeah, I've always been creative. Yeah. So it's been creativity and healing, creativity and healing, creativity and healing. And they're both. They both have a lot in common with each other.

Jamie Stephens  06:16

Yeah, no, I can see that. So I know, one of the things that you said you learned from the, the improv time was a mantra or something that you had. Do you want to speak more on that as far as?

Aubrey Thorne Carey  06:31

Oh, okay. The HDMI? Yes. And yes, yeah. Yeah. So there's, there's sort of the one, there's, there are rules in improv, right? There are rules that help help it work, right to help a scene work. You know, if someone says, All right, we have a suggestion. You know, where are these CMA viewers seen improv? And they asked the audience, where are these people? They're like, they're in the grocery store. Okay. You know, go, right. And they, and these two people, they're just in a grocery store. That's it. Yeah. And one person has, you know, does something. It could be anything they're coming in, and the other one person, the, both people don't know, you know, what's going to happen. So there's something where if someone says, here, here, and here, here's a pen. Right, right. I want you to write the the take some inventory of what cans are on the shelf, the rule is, yes. And you You always agree with what your improv partner says, 100% of the time, that the minute somebody says no, and you know, it ends in the scene, guys, that's not a pen. That's a cucumber. Yeah. Yes, and is this magical phrase, it's just magical, that propels the motion, the creativity forward, it creates possibilities, it opens, the mind opens the opportunities, like immediately. And so, yes, and is I mean, I think it's like the number one rule for life. Right. It's, there's an any kind of conflict or obstacle, you know, it's the power of saying, Yes, this is hard and

Jamie Stephens  08:29

right. And it's like,

Aubrey Thorne Carey  08:30

yeah, yeah, I don't, I don't know who it was that said, I butcher quotes, I should never be allowed to quote anybody, because I'll just, it'll come out. Like a game of telephone. I will attack, you know, the, the measure, some wise person said, you know, the measure of true intelligence is the ability to hold, you know, opposite ideas at one time, right, or to hold I nine Saturdays, butchered it? The ability to hold two truths at once, right? There's always more than one truth, right? Yes. And I'm feeling this and, oh, I'm feeling this too. Or I can feel this and right, also feel this, I could do this and do that. You could do this and do that. You know, we are we live in a world that really, really, really wants to reduce everybody to black or white, the switches on or off. It's a yes or no maybes, not an answer. We can't have two yeses, right. It's like, that's just not. That's not how the world is. So yes, and breaks that up.

Jamie Stephens  09:45

Right. And I feel like we're in such a yes, but society, you know, I mean, that's just the norm as to what people it's like, yeah, this is possible for them. But that's not possible for me. And you know, just that little Which if people were to really, and it's possible for me, yes, there's people that are doing and it's possible for me. So I think just Yeah. And anytime

Aubrey Thorne Carey  10:08

anyone saying yes, but they're not saying yes, but they're saying no, but Right. They're just not being they don't want to hear they people but we're not comfortable saying no.

Jamie Stephens  10:19

Right. Is that something you're comfortable with saying? No. Yeah.

Aubrey Thorne Carey  10:22

I think most of the time, tell me that there are circumstances and contexts where it's obviously hard to put up boundaries or may no is a boundary? No, is I mean, it's a lots of things knows no can be a boundary, it can be protective, it can be. It can be, it can be a statement of anger, right? It could be rejection, and those things are hard to be sure of, right. Especially if someone else is involved. Like it's, I don't find myself saying no, a lot of the time, but because I think there are so few things that I'm positive that I should say no to, but like if someone says you want oysters, like no, they're gonna be like very simple things like, Do you want to stay up and go to want to stay up and go to this party, but you can't leave? But it's not gonna be over until 1am? I be like, now, you know, I want to be in bed earlier. Isn't that like, there are things that I know about myself? But I definitely tried to keep the word no, no, in a in a cautious kind of, I like to use it cautiously, I guess. Because I don't I want I like an open mind. I like I like seeing more possibility. I like that. And anytime honestly, Jamie and he tells him I've said that's not for me. Oh, I think almost every time, six months later there I am doing that thing that I said it was for me or now that's not a grade? Yeah. Well, it was usually the great idea. I mean, it's no is a really good indication of what we're afraid of. And like, oh, I don't know, I might get a little embarrassed or humiliated if I do that thing. I mean, that's usually I mean, especially from an astrological perspective, no, is the word no, is a good indication of well, that God is kind of telling you that you need to try to maybe stretch yourself a little and go in that direction. So it's usually a pretty good measure of what we need to take another look and maybe take a baby step towards Sure.

Jamie Stephens  12:39

No, I can relate to that. The first time I left corporate, I remember like my last day at work, one of my friends was like, you know, Jamie, you should start a podcast. And this was three, almost four years ago now. And I'm like, why would I even say like, no, like, Yeah, I mean, I yeah, I mean, it's interesting. I love podcasts, but like, No. And here we are. And it's funny, because breaking up with corporate, it's full circle. And it's like, oh, that's what I could talk about the thing that was right in front of my face. I just, there was a lot between that No. And where I am today, there was a lot a lot, a lot of self growth and self discovery that was like, Okay, I mean, sometimes you just need that space, right to where it's, for God to work on you.

Aubrey Thorne Carey  13:33

We always need that space. Yeah, I 100% of the time, I was just having a conversation with someone about this idea of like having having a goal or an ambition or a vision or going for something or just a point, having a point in space and time that you're like, Yeah, I want that in my life at some point, or I want my life to look like that at some point. And then we set up these, like, straight tracks to speed towards that point. And I don't think that's how it is I think it's more of like an exploring the territory, right? Like, we get a map. And we're like, oh, this is interesting territory. Maybe I'll start exploring it. Yeah. Right. It worked for me. Yeah. So it's like it's almost like the thing that's a no is like a really tall that's like the tallest mountain on the map like that. And you're like, No, way too high. Are you kidding? But as you see on the map, likely like, well, let's go climb this hill and let's go climb that, like mountain the TAF is high and you're like, Okay, I could try that. We try it and then after doing a few climbs of smaller mountains, like suddenly, maybe I could try that a big mountain, right? It's we sort of pride ourselves and we open to what you know, we can see more possibility when we are, I don't know or we just keep looking. Right, right. Knowing

Jamie Stephens  15:01

your, your compass is set, but it's like sometimes you have to go around the pond or the boulder or whatever you know. And I really liked that whole map analogy because it does get easier, like every mountain that you climb, everything that you overcome everything that you learn along the way just builds and builds to where it's just not so scary anymore.

Aubrey Thorne Carey  15:25

I mean, how impossible that learning to ride a bike look, we first like looked at it, like, wait a second, I'm gonna balance on things a little narrow circles, let you know. And it was it looked impossible. It felt impossible. It felt tippy and oh, you know, and then one day, you just keep trying a one day something in us find the balance and the momentum and the perfect. The perfect, like combination of balance and momentum. And for you know, you're riding a bike, and then you can't believe you can't remember sort of what it was like to, to feel. You know, I don't feel so uneasy. I think our minds are the same way. I can't believe I you know, I can't believe I looked at you and thought, you know, I don't know if we do it all the time familiarity. I love the word exposure. It just it opens and changes our mind.

Jamie Stephens  16:22

I like that. I also like what you said about the perfect amount of balance and momentum, because that's so true with everything. I mean, not just riding a bike, but just yeah, you know, that momentum is such an important piece that I think sometimes our mind kind of blocks what that looks like, and we just get stuck in the balance, like how am I going to balance this? And not really, I don't know, like, I think it's something I'm learning more as I go. But like, that's not the first place my brain goes is to, okay, now I need momentum, right. But it's, it's hard to get momentum, if you never start if you never, you know, if you just get paralyzed by trying to balance everything and just plan everything out and try and you know, to, you can sit there and analyze the bike all day long about how it should go and how you know, but until you just get on and go and get that momentum, like none of the other pieces just feel right. You know, so I really I like that expression, the momentum.

Aubrey Thorne Carey  17:25

Yeah, and we can only we can only have momentum, we can by doing what's right in front of us the overwhelm is when we're thinking of, you know, everything moving forward at once. It's just not, it's not possible. It's like, how am I going to balance all of this, and, you know, sustain the energy and get all of this done. And it's like, you're doing it all in your mind. Like, we do this in our minds. We're like, we're like, I do this all the time. I'm like, I set a goal. And then I'm like, okay, everything I need to do to reach this goal. Know find myself, like three days in like paralyzed, right? Like, yes. Oh, wait, I, you know, we can only do what like the next, the next thing. The next thing, we can only do pedal one foot at a time, you can only take care of your family while you know you're making dinner. And then you can work you know, the next day. And then you can take care of a friend, you know, with the conversation, and then you can work. And then you can do an email to like put something into the you know, put some bait out into the water. Like never make a connection or follow up on something and you can it's like you can only do one thing at a time. Multi. I mean, multitasking is a lie. Yeah, it's kind of a lie. Kind of like even though people do do do two things at once. Only one thing is getting the fuller attention.

Jamie Stephens  18:58

Right. And I still I mean, I don't know how you feel like, obviously, uh, sorry, I spoke over you but like, it's, it almost seems like it doesn't even get your full attention. Because you still have that other thing open. So I mean, it's it gets more attention. One thing will get more attention. But I have found personally like when multitasking that I mean, obviously we're women, right? We've got a lot of shit going on. There's, we have to multitask. Yeah. But I think you also have to be cognizant that if you're, quote, multitasking, by definition, there's not one thing that is just getting your attention your full attention and knowing into well knowing when you can multitask and whenever you need to just focus.

Aubrey Thorne Carey  19:47

Yeah, I mean, here's the I mean the rule with multitasking is I said that multi multitasking is you got to be 100% okay with 80% Right, or 70% or 50%? You, you, you have to be all in on in imperfection. I mean, and that's where the, that's where people lose it. It's the, you know, I can't do it all it's like, okay, you can't do it all be yes. I mean, you can do a lot of it, you just got everything gets the, the perfection is gonna pass the perfection test and you know it, that's fine. Yeah, that's fine. Because that's that that I find is like a major recipe for overwhelm. It's like, oh, gosh, I should have, you know, like, yeah, Shadow worker, it's like, yeah, but you didn't. So, move on just next time, give it your full attention if it's that important, right? Or it's okay, he got the email out. It's okay. If there's four typos, they're gonna know you are on the run. Right? It was taped on your phone, it says, sent on my iPhone, right? There's always like people are people are human. And I think most people, if they, if they understand their own humanity enough, are very forgiving. No one is as hard on us as we are on ourselves.

Jamie Stephens  21:14

That is so true. So true. And it's such a shame to I mean, it's just like, in a world where it seems like you would really benefit. I mean, obviously, you do benefit when you are your biggest cheerleader, but it's just not something that's inherent here in America anyway. So you know what I mean? It's, it's, I feel like, society teaches us a lot to look out to other people and other people's opinions and just being able to hold you know, hold that focus for yourself, I think is big.

Aubrey Thorne Carey  21:46

Yeah. It's, um, yeah. I mean, it's, again, it's, it's like breathing. Right? It's, there's, there's constant input, you have to know, I guess what I what I try to concentrate on is just being aware of what I put into the world, right? Is it coming from me? Or is it everything is coming? It's not as it coming. For me. It's knowing that everything is coming from me, everything, my perception, my whole my whole experience of reality, my bad mood, my good mood, my intentions, my love, my anger, you know, no one is making me feel any other ways. And I feel no one is causing me to think these thoughts that I have, right? It's all self generated. And I've lost my train of thought why that occurred to me, but

Jamie Stephens  22:38

Well, I have a follow up question. And it'll, it'll, it'll be good. But have you always been that way? Like, have you always know? Like, I'm just curious, at what point do people start to realize that because like, I'm in life, like, I'm, I'll be 42. And like, by the time this airs, and I feel like I am just now figuring that shit out. Like, just now to not wait to where, like, everything that you're saying just resonates and clicks in? And it's just like, but even five years ago, I would have been like, what is she talking about?

Aubrey Thorne Carey  23:11

No, I heard about them. Right? No, and that's it. That's a con. I mean, well, first of all, no, I didn't. I didn't understand this until probably three years ago, when I started to read certain things and study with certain teachers. But I still I still forget all the time, right? I mean, our life is like a process of just constantly remembering and then re remembering what is true who we are, and what our integrity is based on what alignment and harmony it feels like for ourselves. It's, we get pulled out of it constantly, right? It's, I think that's just the nature of like, a, it's like a boat, you know, it's like a sailboat. It's like, we have to just the bat analogy, because I'm not a sailor and so I can drag it out. But it's, it's just remember, remember, remember, it's when people meditate, they remember who they are. They remember these things when people exercise or dance or use creative self expression or play with their kids or have a date night with their, you know, their partner or volunteer work, you know, with the elderly or build someone a house or pass a homeless person on the street and stop for a minute, or pray in church or sing in a community or it's like anything, like there are these moments where we can remember Oh, it's I remember who I am. Because it's a feeling it's not we get out of our heads and we go into a feeling and then we remember and then we forget, that we remember. Forget, we remember to know and I think we spend the rest of our lives remembering that I think that's the gift of aging. People like, oh, I want to get older I want to get I'm like, but you're so much wiser than you were and because you're so much wiser. It's like you can, your experience of life is going to be so much richer, informed by something deeper than the intellect. I got this. I got this. It's like, it's really going to live like that. Well, good luck. You know, good luck having fun and laughing and you know, good luck with the the joy, you know, Mr. Intellect, right? Good luck with the laughter piece. This is intellect, right? It's, it's no, I rediscover it all the time. And you are at a magical age. Right? 42? Uh huh. This is a moment for you. If, at the moment, I'll be Oh, yeah, your massive individuating moment that happens around the age of 42, which is a big like, it's sponsored by the planet Uranus. But it's the, it's the, there's a part of all of us that really wants to individuated and this little bit of astrology for you. But individuated and sort of break from convention, break from whatever tradition you were raised in whatever culture has told you, Jamie that you have to fit in by being XY and Z, around the age of 42. You're like, looking at XY and Z? And you're like, No, you know, middle finger in the air. And you're like, you know, I think I'm just gonna be me. All right, you know, and people around you, if you're doing it, right, if you're actually like, grabbing this individuating process, kind of, you know, and saying like, all right, self, like, let's be our weird self. Let's like, if you're doing it correctly, there will be some, some very good signs in the form of people around you being like, what are you doing? What are you doing? Why are you spending so much time on this? But But what do you what are you talking about? I don't know. I don't know. I don't think it's gonna work. I don't know, like doubters, people who try to say, why don't you just stay in your box or just do what we're doing? It's better, it's smarter, it's safe. That's a good sign. That's a sign that you're like breaking out and then finding finding your community, finding your tribe. It's a massive stage of claiming independence. So anyway, I really feels that

Jamie Stephens  27:30

way. I'm just curious how, how do people go through stuff like that, and then have a partner who is not going through something like that? And you know what I mean, like, it feels like the people around you, and I'm not trying to turn this into a therapy session. I'm sorry. I'm just liking it's coming into my power. But that's uncomfortable for a lot of people. And part of me is like, Okay, well, that's not my problem. And the other part of me is, like, scared of changing. You know, I'm just wondering how people deal Well, that's

Aubrey Thorne Carey  28:07

the that's the tension isn't? It's like, it's, I mean, I think you're halfway there by even being aware that you're scared of changing. Yeah. And then the other half is this, the communication piece, and the end, the scary part is facing that we all don't change, we all don't change in the same direction, or at the same rate. Yeah. But that being said, everyone is changing all the time. Right? So it can be the biggest gift in the world, to have a partner that's changing at a different rate and pace, because there's, that's rich territory to explore of, like, how are you changing? How am I changing, that's where relationships astrology comes in. It's like, you can create real compassion for what's going on, especially if there's two different ages and the relationship, you know, you can reference if you're with someone who's older, you can reference how they went through something. This is where relationships have the opportunity to get richer and deeper, you know, these hard spots, these challenging times, which are not fun to experience or go through when you get to the other side of them are profoundly connecting, where it's like, Ooh, we got through that. Right. And it's, I think that's, you know, that's the nature of growth. That's where you see these people who are together. And by the way, not everyone is meant to take that long journey together. You know, we've got a lot of Catholic guilt hanging over this culture still, where it's like, oh, you should stay together, you should stay together. It's like, these are two human lives. Like, maybe they aren't maybe they learned what they learned together. And they now I mean, sorry to be scandalous, but there are some people who are not meant to be monogamous. Right, right, it doesn't mean and there are some people that are very much meant to be monogamous. You know, it's like they're at that's where they learn and are comfortable. So it's there's a specific diversity of ways to be together and, and relationships should be allowed to breathe, and grow and change, you know that you lost that love and feeling is what, like no love changes, love shifts and morphs and grows and expands and grows edges and then get soft and it's like love is the thing that's, we've got a lot of fairytale myths kind of laid over it and like, what does a loving conversation even sound like when you're going through something tough? Maybe someone needs to learn to listen to that. Or maybe that's where someone develops their voice. There are so many ways to explore. And anyway,

Jamie Stephens  30:55

no, I like this because it gives me like a peek into what I mean. Obviously, you don't know my birth chart or anything like that. But you know, the fact that I like just how you sign. I'm a Capricorn,

Aubrey Thorne Carey  31:08

okay, well just do just take that as a very simple. So Capricorn tends to endure things alone. I got this. How are you, Jamie? Fine.

Jamie Stephens  31:21

That was like my go to response for

Aubrey Thorne Carey  31:24

fine, I'm fine. She's leave me one step of the time, this mountain, can I give you some water, or the mountain is really sick, you need some more and finally got this more? You need some new socks? You've got blisters? No, I'm fine. I got this up the mountain alone, eyes closed. Once I got that, I got this. I got this. That's Capricorn that's like, I got this, I got this alone. I've got the Wisdom. I mean, leave me alone. I got this. Now. However, if there was someone in your orbit that needed help, you'd be like, Oh, let me be wise counsel for you, you return on that grandmother energy of like, oh, let me help you with my wisdom, right, you understand how to give help. But when it comes to experiencing a struggle, or a challenge, or an obstacle, the the tendency for Capricorn is to kind of go into the cave and be very stoic and endure the challenge alone, right? So the opportunity is to like, oh, actually, can you there are other parts of you that need need partnering, like you can't muscle your way through this, right? You can't alone your solo, solo trip your way through this, because your inner needs are actually more connected. And they they're yours, there's a sensitivity level that you can access. And that would be this would be a good opportunity to try out these different parts of yourself. You know, you've got to you've got symbols of communication, where you've got talking to someone yesterday who was really injured, like sort of emotionally mentally it was carrying around this. An astrologer had told her that she was direct, but it was like she was a direct communicator and it was I guess said in a very incomplete brief sort of negative not we didn't really get into it so she always felt like she was this probably felt like she was like hitting someone on the head with a stick every time she talked right yeah, I think it's probably think direct right? You're clear your sights you're not beating around the bush you're effective and effective communicator like that should be really unpacked. There's a gift to being a Capricorn experiencing a struggle now what is the gift and the rest of the chart kind of like talks to you about that but

Jamie Stephens  33:50

that's really fun. So when you do these Tell me a little bit more about your your business you so you do like readings and then the coaching is like Yeah, you told me I don't know. Like what in person if they were interested in learning more about you like what would those kind of packages look like or kind of what how are you reaching people?

Aubrey Thorne Carey  34:14

Usually everyone starts at the reading just because people are usually astrology curious. So I think one time I had someone just go straight into coaching with the astrology. So I do readings I do natal chart reading it's two hours and we go deep into into everything I can fit into about two hours that's plenty. And then some astrology clients want to continue that conversation actually do something with the information some don't some just you know, they the reading was enough or they get to check in or like okay, now they want to go into okay, what what's going on now? What's the opportunity? What can I do with this? Sure. That's a different reading, where we sort of chart the future a little bit. So someone can spot where they should keep their eyes and ears and kind of heart open and like, look for the opportunities like now, like, I'd be like, let's find out what this opportunity is and where you should be looking for it. And then the coaching comes, really, I include the astrology we keep checking in with the chart to, to work on whatever someone wants to work on for usually between like four and nine months. And sometimes people are that I already say this, people are building a business, sometimes people are going through a relationship change, but definitely true. Some people are working on parenting challenges. Some people are trying to do their next creative. I work with a lot of people in the arts and you know, some people are, they want some creative victories, and we kind of look for where, how they can develop those and where those could be, but most people just want to be happier and more successful. I mean, honestly, it boils down to, and we we work on mindset and seeing themselves truthfully. So that it's it's only through seeing how we create our experience, then that we can create a better different experience. If we don't see it will tend to default into our into our habits. Yeah, and we all have bad habits and sabotaging habits. And we all take the same person over and over again, wear the same clothes over and over again, get hired and fired from the same job over and over again. You know, it's like we choose the same friend over and over again, it's like we, we are masters of repetitive behavior. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's just knowing it, seeing what the gift is in that. Okay, well, what is this pattern for? Like what would a good version of this habitual way of being in the world look like? And then seeing how we create our experience, from our thinking, that's the magic key of code, the coaching piece, where we see it, it's like, suddenly, we're, we're creating our life experience from a completely different consciousness. And again, it's not like, all the lights go on. And we're like Buddhists walking around. But if we, the coaching ends up helping people remember more often and more consistently. And when we do that, everything changes.

Jamie Stephens  37:39

I want to go back to something you said earlier about, like the Catholic roots hanging over everybody. Is that something that you had to? Is that your experience with like, religion and Catholicism at mean, like how does that play into I'm just wondering from like, I'm just rambling at this point. But I think I'm trying to understand, like the religious versus the astrological kind of if you had to overcome any leaps for your family, or for yourself, like, was that transition smooth? Or was that like completely off base?

Aubrey Thorne Carey  38:18

When when you say leaps from from my only mean how I was brought up versus what I believe now? Yeah, yeah. Um, yeah. So I was not brought up Catholic. I use that cap Catholicism as a, like, an example because it's the most like rule based, short, right? And, sort of, it's a it's a cliche, form of religion, almost at this point, when you're talking about religion. No, but I was brought up very fundamental, Protestant, Christian upbringing, and yeah, so I'm kind of like, I feel like, what are the four states where you can stand in each state all of us? Are they touched the corners?

Jamie Stephens  39:07

Oh, yeah. You know, urato Nevada right?

Aubrey Thorne Carey  39:12

away. That's what that's what I'm, that's what my relationship to God feels like. It's like, I feel like I can find God anywhere. I feel like I can find God in Presbyterian church service. I used to my, for some reason, my best friends growing up, were always Jewish. And so I loved going to temple with them. I spent the night on a Saturday, I got to go to temple with them. Oh, no. I spent that they went to, though if I spent the night on a note because I had to go to church the next morning. Well, either night, I know I'd spend the night on a Friday and I get to go to temple with them on a Saturday. And then the next day I'd be in our Presbyterian Church. And I just found you know, even though I didn't know anything about the Jewish religion, you know, I just there was something In the room, there was something in that big Torah and the mysticism and the ritual. And, you know, I could find God there. And it was in the feeling. And then my sort of metaphysical self started emerging when I was a teenager, probably earlier, but I didn't call it that, right. When I was a child and and so I could find God you know, as that sort of emerged, and I explored different energy, I don't know, ways to access energy, whether it was through like divination, or self help books, or but it was definitely it was always attracted to metaphysics, acupuncture, you know, my, when I started studying in my 20s, my, my, my relationship to God expanded into energy medicine and energy fields and understanding quantum, you know, are the quantum universe and just kind of going out there. And then by the time I got to astrology, as a more professional pursuit, I sort of felt like, you know, it's, it's all it's all there, all astrology is, is, is a language, it's no different than the alphabet, it's, you know, what is if you drew out the alphabet, I mean, each letter comes from a symbolic source, right? Like our alphabet, these days, A through Z, the English alphabet used to a lot of the letters used to be rune characters, you know, there were these like, ancient Nordic, sort of Viking symbols, that meant something the meanings were different, like, there's embedded meanings in everything. Yeah, astrology is no different. So a little symbol. So for, like, you know, you know, we have, you know, Venus and Mars, right, we have two symbols, well, we see these everywhere, it was on an, you know, 70s necklace, it was on, you know, the cambium, bathroom doors, it's like, they just mean something like, this is Venus, it's associated with a planet up there. But it's not as much about the planet as it is about the energies present in the universe. And, and so, when we look at a map with all of these symbols, the circular map, a reading is literally just reading the symbols and talking about meaning, you know, no different than reading words on the page. Yeah, so do I, you know, just like so. This issue of just trying to like, tie it back. Once I deeply understood astrology, there was no longer any reconciling it with my religious upbringing, right? Like I can both appreciate and read the Bible and understand, well, this is no different than, it's not like, you know, the out the English alphabet is, is evil. So neither is the symbols of where things are in the sky. Now, what we do with it is, I still I don't see it any different than poetry, or a beautiful essay, a beautiful descriptive essay about something, it's just a different kind of language. And, and if you do really believe that, God or source you know, the word is like, so individual again, or Allah, or divine intelligence, or universal love, or whatever, but just just say, related to the, you know, the Christian God, you do really believe that God is almighty Well, I mean, and, and put the stars in the sky, and even says in the Bible, like, let them be signs, and three is what three wise men followed these things in the sky. And like the Bible is like rife with examples of people using the the sky and the seasonal symbols, and all the holidays are timed on the moon. And I know that ties into like, pagan things, and but there's so many and like, obviously, God created this relationship between us and everything around us. So what's wrong with trying to understand it? That's where I'm like, Well, I don't think it's 1100 anymore. I don't think the the Pope is going to mind if we actually learn to read, write and learn to read the Bible for ourselves. And while we're at it, maybe learn to read our own map of the sky and understand ourselves better, you know, these rules about astrology being evil or bad. I mean, these are ancient power driven rules that wanted to keep you know, the the church as the the only and final word. So I guess it's it's really it's not a IT people who understand what astrology really is, you know any other Not only put it the reverse way, anyone who is criticizing or condemning or afraid of astrology doesn't know what it is. It's either going off of someone else's belief formed opinion. Me, it's like anything, right? Usually what we criticize, it's we don't understand usually what we hate, we don't understand, usually what we reject, we don't understand. So astrology is, you know, I mean, I just love skeptics too, you know, the true skeptic is supposed to question everything through a process of honest inquiry, you know, they usually get it wrong from from the beginning, where they're like, they say that the stars and the moon and the sun in the sky in a certain position, make us behave certain ways make us feel certain ways. And like, actually, no, no, professional astrologer no says that there is a causative effect like that. Yeah. So it I mean, I could go on and on and on. But basically, I just, I find it to be a richer description of how God made us not, not a forbidden or ill informed one. Yeah,

Jamie Stephens  46:10

no, I love something you hear, like, Vladeck growing up in the Bible Belt about, you know, it's like, oh, gee, this, you know, and,

Aubrey Thorne Carey  46:20

yeah, and, but you know, that, there's also people that read the Bible, you know, literally, like with zero metaphor, you know, and, you know, there are people who believe the Earth is flat, right, you know, there are people who believe all sorts of things, because it's, I mean, you know, the, hey, and I felt like people have to believe in astrology, I don't care. It's like, one of the things that doesn't matter if you believe in or not, it's, it still actually works. So true. It's like, if you don't believe in astrology, and it scares us, and don't get a reading, like, it's really it's your life will, will not suffer because you didn't get an astrology reading, you might be missing out in a really cool experience, where you understand yourself a whole lot better. Maybe some really difficult experiences get put in their proper company, you know, compassion infused context, but don't notice has to get an astrology reading. It's just, it's funny. It's like, I'm just like, people who if you, you know, if you're in the Bible Belt, you don't you know, you don't believe that two people of the same gender should get married, you know, or it's fine, then don't go to their wedding. Right? Somebody I don't want to move in, in my town. I'm like, yeah, they probably aren't moving into your town, so don't worry about it. Like, I don't want you know, drag queens moving in, come and eat at our restaurant, it's like, Don't worry, probably, you're probably never even gonna meet one. Like, it's people worry about things that are going to touch their lives if they don't want them to. Yeah,

Jamie Stephens  47:57

and then offer an opinion on it. That is great.

Aubrey Thorne Carey  48:01

I don't think everyone should live like I do. Or believe in what I believe. All right, we have many different beliefs, right? It's like, I do believe that, you know, we don't, we shouldn't shove our beliefs onto somebody else, you know, we can can offer them but hey, you know, this, this world is full of people who don't believe the same thing and still managed to get along. So country as to you think every progressive Democrat, you know, believes the same things now. Got all types and all like, shades of everything. Same with Republicans. You know, it's like, same with Christians. There are so many different kinds of Christians. Yeah, I prefer sort of the more mystical, ancient Christianity. I think it's, I think Jesus was amazing, right? Like I have, I have the Christian fish on my foot, you know that. Yeah. And I was attracted to that symbol when I was, you know, my early 20s. And I just drew it on my football every day, because I really I am, you know, Jesus as a healer, and teacher is he's such an inspiring figure, just like the Buddha. And he's a, he's an incredible figure, right? He's, there's really no one no one like him. And I have to sort of say sometimes, like, oh, you had a Christian fish. And he cats not a witness, but not witnessing with my foot, right? Because I'm a different kind of Christian than someone else who might put that that symbol on their car, say, or, you know, it's like symbols can mean a range of things. It's just marks on a page or marks on your foot. Right?

Jamie Stephens  49:41

I like it. Well, Aubrey, thank you so much. Um, if people want to learn more about what you have to offer as far as your services or just love you as a human, where can they find you?

Aubrey Thorne Carey  49:54

Um, well, they can find two easy places. The easiest I guess is Instagram just because it's the only Social media I really pay attention to, which is app Aubrey Thorn. And it's Audrey with the bee and Thorne has any ad RB Thorne, and then all my links are there. And they can people if people want to, you know, message me with any questions or book or reading or anyway, I'm an open book. I'm very, very available. And then my website is Aubrey Thorne. Calm, same thing. Awesome. Well, thank

Jamie Stephens  50:24

you. So yeah,

Aubrey Thorne Carey  50:26

thank you, Jamie. This is a fun conversation I liked when I like it went sort of all over and

Jamie Stephens  50:32

yeah, all over. It's very good. Thank you so much for your time. No. I'll let you know when I kind of pieced it all together. And it'll be probably January, February before it's out since I'm not launching till December. Like

Aubrey Thorne Carey  50:47

anytime, anytime. It's really fun talking to you.

Jamie Stephens  50:51

Alright, you too. Thank you so much, and good luck on this process for you as well.

Aubrey Thorne Carey  50:54

Thank you. Thank you. Bye